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Guess what? Recruiters are the worst recruiters!

Is it as we have always suspected?

That recruiters are themselves, poor recruiters?

Like the cobblers kid who had the worst shoes, do recruiters have the worst recruitment process? Especially when they recruit recruiters, for themselves?

I asked that question in no uncertain terms a few years ago, when I bemoaned the fact that hardly anyone ever bothered to call me to reference check the many, many recruiters I have worked with over the years.

But, hallelujah, recently I did get such a call.

It was from an Asian office of a global recruitment company, one of the biggest in the world, and they were about to hire a senior manager who had reported to me for almost 10 years.

They had been impeccably professional in setting up the call, asking permission of both the candidate and myself. They had set and confirmed with me in writing an appointment for the call. A woman with a confident and very polished phone style called me on the dot.

I was delighted. A proper reference call!

She started asking basic questions about tenure and attendance, and then moved on to a series of questions about ability and skill.

When she took a breath, I jumped in and asked her three key questions.

“Tell me, what exactly is the role you are considering my ex-employee for? What are the key responsibilities you need him to excel at, and what measurable outcomes will he be accountable for?”

Once I knew those things, I could make my answers much more pertinent, accurate and relevant.

At first there was silence. I thought the line had been lost. It then became apparent that she was totally taken aback. She lost her poise on the phone completely. She stammered and stuttered.

And then she said;

“To be perfectly honest I don’t really know what the role is at all. I am just going through our reference form.”

It turns out that the person doing the reference had not met the candidate, seen the job spec, been briefed on the role, or been involved in the recruitment at all.

She was following a process. It may have been what she did all day, everyday.

I did not embarrass her about this, for she was clearly doing what she had been asked, and doing it as well as she could.

I answered all her questions as fully as I could. She thanked me, and it was over.

But this was bad. Bad recruitment. Bad management

My guy was an experienced people-manager in recruitment. He had led teams successfully. But he was also a very solid senior recruiter himself, who had billed big numbers in his day. What’s more, his best skill was business development and since parting with me, had held a senior regional role in BD.

What job was he being assessed for now? She didn’t know. I didn’t know.

When they asked, ‘would you rehire him’, my answer would have been different depending on the role!

When they asked ‘Is he good with people?’, did they mean as a manager? A colleague? Or was it his customer relationships they were interested in?

That reference-check call for all its superficial professionalism was a wasted opportunity. Done properly I could have given them excellent guidance on what his skills and weakness are, as they relate to the job they needed him to do! I could have coached them on how to get the best out of him. I could have prevented them from making a bad mistake too, if the job was not a good ‘fit’. And I would have known!

But I could do none of those things, because that reference check wasn’t an opportunity to improve the hiring decision. Not really. It was box ticking, form lodging, bureaucratic process.

I don’t blame the reference-checker in this case. Not at all. But I do turn a withering eye at the management of this business. At the ethos of an organisation (a recruitment business after all) that allows a very senior hire (I am talking AUD $200k plus) to be made without really getting at the heart of his historical performance.

Unless I know the job the candidate is being considered for, all I can give you is a generic character reference. If you want a real evaluation of ‘fit’, you have to tell me what you are looking for the candidate to achieve.

Which is why back in the day when I used to use Rec to Rec’s to find recruiters for my business, I used to shock them by always doing the final reference-check myself. I know what to ask the referee. And equally importantly what to tell the referee first! And what is more I want hear the tone of the referee’s voice. The moment of hesitation in giving an answer. The nuance in the words. A great deal resides there!

I know there are different laws about reference-checking in various countries.

But think like this

The reference-check is part of the assessment, not part of the compliance.

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  • Posted by Greg Savage
  • On May 16, 2017
  • 18 Comments
Tags: hiring recruiters, recruiting recruiters, recruitment

18 Comments

Daryl Daniels
  • May 16 2017
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While this may surprise some, it happens all the time. Having worked in the industry for close to 20 years I am constantly amazed at how this opportunity to validate the candidates track record/history for your client is completed inadequately or haphazardly. Having managed teams in the past, the other thing that surprised me is that some recruiters actually hate doing references as they fear a bad reference will jeopardise the placement. I have always looked at references as an opportunity to do several things: 1. Introduce your services to a potential new client by demonstrating your thoroughness and industry insight 2. Ensure your client is getting what they are paying for. At the end of the day I don't what to deal with "fall offs" as I like doing the job properly first. 3. Gaining a new person in your network - you never know when you may need a manager or someone to tap on the shoulder Great article Greg
Jim Roy
  • May 16 2017
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Working in a larger firm we see our people go to join smaller / boutique. Do we ever get a call? No. Do they ever make an offer subject to references? No. Do the ones we know will move on 3-4 times in 18 months move on? Yes . . .
    Greg Savage
    • May 16 2017
    • Reply
    Its standard across the industry. When I ask people "why" they say they dont "trust they will get an accurate reference from a recruiter (Competitor)" which I think is 95% nonsense
John
  • May 16 2017
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We always ask the candidate & the referee for permission to do a reference AND the consultant who interviewed the candidate completes the reference. A reference should not be perfect, as we all have 'weaknesses'(even Greg) but it is VIP to know them. Is it any wonder our fees are 'questioned' when we do not do our job correctly?
Craig Burton
  • May 16 2017
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I find it fascinating why we don't get reference requests. I bet I've had four in thirty years. Bonkers stuff
Chris Sale
  • May 16 2017
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I agree: I am never asked for references. Even basic stuff like dates of employment. It's very odd: what are employers thinking of when they hire?
andrew brindley
  • May 16 2017
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We reference everyone who works for us and always have done, normally done by the person whims recruiting them. Think its because the sector we work in Social Care. Funny we had some feedback from a recruiter last week on a role they were recruiting for us. We did an interview, a look and see day and references, and we try and turn this round in less than a week . This is what the recruiter said the candidate withdrew because "The reasons they gave were they felt the selection process was to long and complicated for her level and that is a contract role not permanent." The role was a 12 month contract in the payroll team, some I feel you need to throughly check?
Nick Pieper
  • May 16 2017
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Notwithstanding the validity of the article and subsequent comments, but shouldn't the onus also be on the candidate to inform their referee of the role they have applied for to enable the referee to contextualise the applicant's experience in alignment to the role and prepare for the reference check call? Every time a former employee requests to use me as a referee, that is the first question I ask of them. Without it, then I am flying blind and wasting time. Just a thought.
    Greg Savage
    • May 17 2017
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    Getting the candidate perspective is fine. But the reference check is by the employer, for the employer. The candidate could not answer the three questions I posed accurately or without bias. So it has to come from the employer
      Nick Pieper
      • May 17 2017
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      Perhaps I did not articulate my point sufficiently well. Shouldn't the candidate present information on the role they have applied for to their referees before a reference check is undertaken by the prospective employer/agent? This then should align with the information provided by the person conducting the reference check for the employer. As recruiters we always should prep candidates on the role and organisation to ensure they are well informed prior to an interview; why then would an applicant not extend the same courtesy to their referees so that the referee has greater context of the role prior to the reference check? Asking the referee if the applicant has briefed them speaks volumes about the applicant, possibly more than the standard Q&A sessions that many recruiters recite as a 'reference check' as you allude to in your article.
New First Class Services
  • May 17 2017
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Yeah the bitter truth. agree with you!
Achyut Menon
  • May 23 2017
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Greg, thanks for sharing your insights." Reference check is part of the assessment, not part of the compliance". Bulls eye!! I recall sharing a blog post about 7yrs ago. Sad that, as recruiters, we really havent raised the bar. (http://blog.optionsindia.com/2009/09/reference-checking-art-or-science.html)
el_slapper
  • May 25 2017
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Seems to me that's the difference between handpicked people, and industrialized processes. Greg seems to promote handpicking the best person for the job, while this company prefers a standard, industrialized process, that allows for scaling up. What is not said here is that Talent does not scale up. If you need one specific profile, you may look everywhere for two years, and after checking for more than one thousand candidates, finally agree and say "this is the one we need". That's how our new country manager was recruited. But when you need great numbers of people, this approach does not work. As said in this old Joel Spolsky entry : https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/01/18/big-macs-vs-the-naked-chef/ He's focusing on the same side of recruitment than you, the handpicked specific person for a specific place. He's not leading a monster behemoth that recruits thousands of people each year. Whatever you do, when you recruit that many people, you know that not all of them will be as good as you'd need. The approach this firm offers is perfectly rational if you think about a mass recruitment : the purpose is no more to find the best candidate for the post, but to maximize the average quality of the average recruit for a minimum cost, according to a few criteria. I've been handpicked in my current job, which is very nice for my ego. In my previous jobs in the banking area, I knew I was one amongst thousands, recruited in big numbers, with enough of us good enough to make the job. Bad luck with others, but the job was overall done. There was enough "meat" to ensure it was.
julie hood
  • Jul 25 2017
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Greg, ditto. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/reference-checking-gem-opportunity-julie-hood I have had some recent personal experience (seeking a role) and realise that the other thing recruiters may be doing wrong is sending their least experience person in as gatekeeper to develop the long list of preferred candidates, using the same cut and paste, speak from the hymn sheet process. It is no wonder we have trouble getting the right people for roles. Many really good people are left untouched because talent cannot be spotted by youth. You need experience to spot it, and even more experience to lobby to get it through to the short list.
Ash (Australian tradie Directory)
  • Aug 15 2017
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Hi Greg Nice article. Thanks for sharing. keep up the good work
Rajeev Gupta
  • Sep 4 2017
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Hi Greg, I agree with you recruiters and the processes in the recruitment firms are quite unpolished. While some executive search & recruitment companies have recruiters who do A to Z role in a selection, some other companies have specialised people for specialised roles. Both these processes have their own advantages and disadvantages. In specialised roles people become quite efficient on their role but are not connected closely with the other recruitment processes. This also prevents over-training of staff. Yes at times, mistakes are done and opportunities are lost as the recruiters are not handling the complete recruitment process as in the case above. Companies would actually weigh the benefits versus lost opportunities in deciding the roles of the recruiters in their company. Rajeev- Manager in a Executive Search & IT Recruitment company
Steph
  • Oct 4 2017
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For me, references are only helpful if I'm calling three deep - so you tell me about John, then after talking to John, I ask him "who else would know about my candidates performance and work history there?" then get the next name and then one more. Those are real reference calls. Anything else can be pretty fluffy.
A aA
  • Mar 7 2018
  • Reply
Recruitment and Recruiters is simply a numbers game. The larger the organisation, the more lost the recruiters become. Having worked in the field I am all to familiar with recruiters who don't really know how to read profiles or understand the skill set a candidate possesses. Recruiters are simply searching for keywords and past experiences as a means of determining the skills of a professional and that's scary considering they have the potential to screw up an entire organisation. Have you ever wondered why people from the same circle move around different companies? It's the work of the highly paid recruiter who is under the impression qualifications for a particular function is dependent on the who you worked with and where you worked in the past. So much for searching for new talent and out of the box thinking. The worst recruiters in my experience I have come across can be found working for large supermarket chains in The Netherlands.

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