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	<title>Comments on: Recruiters! We must learn to sell why we are still relevant</title>
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	<description>By Greg Savage</description>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key in a market like this is our ability to access those candidates who are not actively looking , especially when hiring managers are working their butts off doing their jobs. 

Anyone can do it themselves, but will only hire the best of who has applied to that ad - not a particularly comforting thought now is it for long term competitive growth through aggressive talent acquisition

Earlier posts have discussed which clients to fire, and this is an excellent way to work out who is worth investing in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key in a market like this is our ability to access those candidates who are not actively looking , especially when hiring managers are working their butts off doing their jobs. </p>
<p>Anyone can do it themselves, but will only hire the best of who has applied to that ad &#8211; not a particularly comforting thought now is it for long term competitive growth through aggressive talent acquisition</p>
<p>Earlier posts have discussed which clients to fire, and this is an excellent way to work out who is worth investing in.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg and Dan,

I would like to add one further point about what an agency can offer even the very best in-house recruitment team- information on what the rest of the market thinks of candidates. What do I mean by this? Well, one thing that we are doing all the time that in house recruiters are not doing is talking to their competitors and peers who move in the same industry circles. In-house teams engage two dimensionally, i.e. company to candidate. We engage on a whole new level-  company to client to competitor to peers to candidates, the entire market top to bottom.

 Often we come across people who have the gift of the gab, they look good, appear to be fantastic and during the process of speaking with them and helping them find work, information slowly starts to come to light from other industry peers.  Peers who may never act as referees because they left the company that our seeming perfect candidate was working for. The relationships we build with people allow for free and frank conversations and I have often had calls from candidates I am very friendly with who have said thing like, ‘Be careful, I wouldn’t touch that candidate with a barge pole. Don’t stake your reputation with so-and-so’ etc. I work in a very small market and having inside knowledge is vital. During the recession when firms preferred to, or had to do recruitment themselves, my colleagues and I often received calls asking us to run our eyes over the final shortlist, just to make sure there is something we might know about the candidate that they didn’t. We gave our opinions freely and honestly with the company’s interest in mind and it has really paid off. Many of our clients have gone on their own, made the hires and lost the money and time because they have got it wrong (how were they to know that they were being duped by a candidate who was misrepresenting themselves??) These companies now find the money in the budget to pay our fees and have us manage the process with them in a consultative way.

Hope that makes sense. Thanks for another great article.

William</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg and Dan,</p>
<p>I would like to add one further point about what an agency can offer even the very best in-house recruitment team- information on what the rest of the market thinks of candidates. What do I mean by this? Well, one thing that we are doing all the time that in house recruiters are not doing is talking to their competitors and peers who move in the same industry circles. In-house teams engage two dimensionally, i.e. company to candidate. We engage on a whole new level-  company to client to competitor to peers to candidates, the entire market top to bottom.</p>
<p> Often we come across people who have the gift of the gab, they look good, appear to be fantastic and during the process of speaking with them and helping them find work, information slowly starts to come to light from other industry peers.  Peers who may never act as referees because they left the company that our seeming perfect candidate was working for. The relationships we build with people allow for free and frank conversations and I have often had calls from candidates I am very friendly with who have said thing like, ‘Be careful, I wouldn’t touch that candidate with a barge pole. Don’t stake your reputation with so-and-so’ etc. I work in a very small market and having inside knowledge is vital. During the recession when firms preferred to, or had to do recruitment themselves, my colleagues and I often received calls asking us to run our eyes over the final shortlist, just to make sure there is something we might know about the candidate that they didn’t. We gave our opinions freely and honestly with the company’s interest in mind and it has really paid off. Many of our clients have gone on their own, made the hires and lost the money and time because they have got it wrong (how were they to know that they were being duped by a candidate who was misrepresenting themselves??) These companies now find the money in the budget to pay our fees and have us manage the process with them in a consultative way.</p>
<p>Hope that makes sense. Thanks for another great article.</p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and response Greg
Many of my clients have large in-house recruiting teams.... but I specialize in a very small segment of the marketplace
MD&#039;s in pharma and biotech space after well over decade I have relationships with many of them. This is critical staff to drug development so clients understand to need to reach out to passive candidates with this specialize expertise. 
We also point out to clients are do not want to fill every job and that every job should not go out to search...... (I know many people do not agree with this but it is our model)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and response Greg<br />
Many of my clients have large in-house recruiting teams&#8230;. but I specialize in a very small segment of the marketplace<br />
MD&#8217;s in pharma and biotech space after well over decade I have relationships with many of them. This is critical staff to drug development so clients understand to need to reach out to passive candidates with this specialize expertise.<br />
We also point out to clients are do not want to fill every job and that every job should not go out to search&#8230;&#8230; (I know many people do not agree with this but it is our model)</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Savage</title>
		<link>http://gregsavage.com.au/2009/08/25/recruiters-we-must-learn-to-sell-why-we-are-still-relevant/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,

Good question. The truth is that smart recruiters need to assess where it is that they bring most value. Not all companies will need recruiters equally. Certainly a corporate with an effective in-house recruiting team MAY need third party recruiters less. But that is seldom totally true. Many of our biggest clients have large in house teams of very effective recruiters

I think the value still comes where the recruiter is deeply specialised. Even for a client with a team of recruiters, I feel its true that a company like Aquent  who have 70 offices around the world, focused on a niche (marketing and design) is better equipped to access highly specialised talent - especially passive or internationally based people. So there is a big value-add in that capability.

Its also true that no in-house recruitment team I have ever encountered can match the talent pool and all-round effectiveness of a quality recruitment company when it comes to temporary and contract needs. Having highly specialised, tested, referenced checked short term resources available at less than a days notice is a facility few corporate recruiters would be able to match. No criticism of those recruiters obviously, but it&#039;s a massive task to build an effective temporary staffing business.

Other areas that a good recruiter adds value, even to an in-house team, include 

â€¢	Skill set availability â€” what skills are hot in the market and who has them?
â€¢	Industry demand â€” which sectors are competing for the best talent?
â€¢	Project â€œsex appealâ€ â€” what do the best talent like to work on (our designers want â€œcoolâ€ work for e.g.)
â€¢	Required turn round times-how quickly can we access key hires ( speed at which packaging designers get snapped up for e.g)
â€¢	Salaries and benefits and trends in reward and compensation
â€¢	Retention and staff development strategies
â€¢	Corporate perceptions â€” of your client that is. Where are the gaps in the clients employer brand?
â€¢	Hiring and retention ratios-how many people should they interview to hire. What is staff turnovers like in THEIR industry
â€¢	New techniques and tactics emerging â€” what are their competitors doing to attract staff? To retain people? To reward staff?

In summary though this is the point. To sell to a corporate client (any client actually) the recruiter must firstly identify the clients needs. What do they lack? What do the need to achieve their talent goals? Then it&#039;s the recruiters job to showcase what THEY have that meets those needs. And it may not be &quot;just resumes&quot;

Cheers

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Good question. The truth is that smart recruiters need to assess where it is that they bring most value. Not all companies will need recruiters equally. Certainly a corporate with an effective in-house recruiting team MAY need third party recruiters less. But that is seldom totally true. Many of our biggest clients have large in house teams of very effective recruiters</p>
<p>I think the value still comes where the recruiter is deeply specialised. Even for a client with a team of recruiters, I feel its true that a company like Aquent  who have 70 offices around the world, focused on a niche (marketing and design) is better equipped to access highly specialised talent &#8211; especially passive or internationally based people. So there is a big value-add in that capability.</p>
<p>Its also true that no in-house recruitment team I have ever encountered can match the talent pool and all-round effectiveness of a quality recruitment company when it comes to temporary and contract needs. Having highly specialised, tested, referenced checked short term resources available at less than a days notice is a facility few corporate recruiters would be able to match. No criticism of those recruiters obviously, but it&#8217;s a massive task to build an effective temporary staffing business.</p>
<p>Other areas that a good recruiter adds value, even to an in-house team, include </p>
<p>â€¢	Skill set availability â€” what skills are hot in the market and who has them?<br />
â€¢	Industry demand â€” which sectors are competing for the best talent?<br />
â€¢	Project â€œsex appealâ€ â€” what do the best talent like to work on (our designers want â€œcoolâ€ work for e.g.)<br />
â€¢	Required turn round times-how quickly can we access key hires ( speed at which packaging designers get snapped up for e.g)<br />
â€¢	Salaries and benefits and trends in reward and compensation<br />
â€¢	Retention and staff development strategies<br />
â€¢	Corporate perceptions â€” of your client that is. Where are the gaps in the clients employer brand?<br />
â€¢	Hiring and retention ratios-how many people should they interview to hire. What is staff turnovers like in THEIR industry<br />
â€¢	New techniques and tactics emerging â€” what are their competitors doing to attract staff? To retain people? To reward staff?</p>
<p>In summary though this is the point. To sell to a corporate client (any client actually) the recruiter must firstly identify the clients needs. What do they lack? What do the need to achieve their talent goals? Then it&#8217;s the recruiters job to showcase what THEY have that meets those needs. And it may not be &#8220;just resumes&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Nuroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Nuroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

Enjoyed the post.  How about when the company has an internal Recruitment Team.  ie full time Recruiters, not procurement or frustrated HR types, but actual Recruiters?

I&#039;m interested as I am one of those in house Recruiters, and essentially it is my job to do all the finding and develop attraction strategies.  What above and beyond do you offer my type of companies.  I am always interested in well thought out, value add, different spiels.

I love the last line though.. definitely something missing a lot in our industry.  Trust in your value add people and don&#039;t be afraid of letting people know.
Cheers Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Enjoyed the post.  How about when the company has an internal Recruitment Team.  ie full time Recruiters, not procurement or frustrated HR types, but actual Recruiters?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested as I am one of those in house Recruiters, and essentially it is my job to do all the finding and develop attraction strategies.  What above and beyond do you offer my type of companies.  I am always interested in well thought out, value add, different spiels.</p>
<p>I love the last line though.. definitely something missing a lot in our industry.  Trust in your value add people and don&#8217;t be afraid of letting people know.<br />
Cheers Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Boorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Boorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We justify what we earn by the sevice we provide. Over the boom years recruiters overcharged for the service offered in my opinion. This isn&#039;t about high percentages, rather a reflection of value. An internal recruier can pos an ad on a job board. An internal recruiter can go o a cv database and source themselves. If that is he extent of the service you offer can you really justify anything other than a very low percentage fee, where your total annual fees don&#039;t ammount to much more than an internal recruiters salary.
We can and should do much more than his as recruiters. We need to have expert knowledge in our recruitment space. Properly understand he candidate pool and our clients current and future requirments. We need to be a trusted advisor and independent enough to give best advice as to how to hire the right candidate. This genuinely adds value and justifies our worth because we do what our clients can&#039;t.
If you want to hold your fees, make sure your clients know the total work you put in when working for them, and make sure you are doing more for them than they could do for themselves.
Holding our fees is not about what we say or sell, it is much more about what we do. Create a service that your clients are desperate not to lose, and charge them accordingly.
Last tip, don&#039;t alk fees, talk invesment. That is after all what it is.
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We justify what we earn by the sevice we provide. Over the boom years recruiters overcharged for the service offered in my opinion. This isn&#8217;t about high percentages, rather a reflection of value. An internal recruier can pos an ad on a job board. An internal recruiter can go o a cv database and source themselves. If that is he extent of the service you offer can you really justify anything other than a very low percentage fee, where your total annual fees don&#8217;t ammount to much more than an internal recruiters salary.<br />
We can and should do much more than his as recruiters. We need to have expert knowledge in our recruitment space. Properly understand he candidate pool and our clients current and future requirments. We need to be a trusted advisor and independent enough to give best advice as to how to hire the right candidate. This genuinely adds value and justifies our worth because we do what our clients can&#8217;t.<br />
If you want to hold your fees, make sure your clients know the total work you put in when working for them, and make sure you are doing more for them than they could do for themselves.<br />
Holding our fees is not about what we say or sell, it is much more about what we do. Create a service that your clients are desperate not to lose, and charge them accordingly.<br />
Last tip, don&#8217;t alk fees, talk invesment. That is after all what it is.<br />
Bill</p>
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